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	<title>Comments on: Ask the readers: Suggestions to improve Zen Habits</title>
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		<title>By: Venkat</title>
		<link>http://zenhabits.net/2007/09/ask-the-readers-suggestions-to-improve-zen-habits/#comment-13819</link>
		<dc:creator>Venkat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2007 07:15:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your site is useful.To make it wholesome,please incorporate checklists with action oriented words.

The latest ZEN on thanks giving is too suppliant and directs your orientation from univeret it ality to Christianity. Although prayer is there in all religions are they really worthwhile.

In India one christian wants to propagate his creed by crying in prayer to God.Such emotions may move people who don&#039;t think.

Let not your site pass ito a drab tautology. My feed back is please follow the good from Schopenhauer,the German Philosopher who considers God as a Force-Principle. the kind of vitues sucha s prayer etc appeal to base emotions and congreagate the weak minded sothat the Priests and churchmen collect donations to propagate their views.

Zen habits should declare that own efforts are stronger and pity prayer love kindness etc increase weakness of the soul. Hbituation into weakness and aggregation of weakness should not come out of the practices you preach.

Please move away from religious preaching and the mass democratic values which donot give permanent solutions

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your site is useful.To make it wholesome,please incorporate checklists with action oriented words.</p>
<p>The latest ZEN on thanks giving is too suppliant and directs your orientation from univeret it ality to Christianity. Although prayer is there in all religions are they really worthwhile.</p>
<p>In India one christian wants to propagate his creed by crying in prayer to God.Such emotions may move people who don&#8217;t think.</p>
<p>Let not your site pass ito a drab tautology. My feed back is please follow the good from Schopenhauer,the German Philosopher who considers God as a Force-Principle. the kind of vitues sucha s prayer etc appeal to base emotions and congreagate the weak minded sothat the Priests and churchmen collect donations to propagate their views.</p>
<p>Zen habits should declare that own efforts are stronger and pity prayer love kindness etc increase weakness of the soul. Hbituation into weakness and aggregation of weakness should not come out of the practices you preach.</p>
<p>Please move away from religious preaching and the mass democratic values which donot give permanent solutions</p>
<p>venkat</p>
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		<title>By: Theresa Meyer</title>
		<link>http://zenhabits.net/2007/09/ask-the-readers-suggestions-to-improve-zen-habits/#comment-13330</link>
		<dc:creator>Theresa Meyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2007 12:33:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve liked what I&#039;ve seen so far, but sometimes the numbered lists can get monotonous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve liked what I&#8217;ve seen so far, but sometimes the numbered lists can get monotonous.</p>
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		<title>By: Leisureguy</title>
		<link>http://zenhabits.net/2007/09/ask-the-readers-suggestions-to-improve-zen-habits/#comment-13294</link>
		<dc:creator>Leisureguy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Sep 2007 21:13:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just to make it perfectly clear: No problem with numbering the list items, especially if they have a sequence. (If not, why not use bullets?) But making a big deal of the total number of items in the list is by now a tired trope. It&#039;s too much like the cover of Cosmo: 9 Secrets to Drive Him Wild in Bed; 6 Signs He&#039;s Unfaithful; 8 Ways to Slim Your Abdomen; and so on and on and on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to make it perfectly clear: No problem with numbering the list items, especially if they have a sequence. (If not, why not use bullets?) But making a big deal of the total number of items in the list is by now a tired trope. It&#8217;s too much like the cover of Cosmo: 9 Secrets to Drive Him Wild in Bed; 6 Signs He&#8217;s Unfaithful; 8 Ways to Slim Your Abdomen; and so on and on and on.</p>
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		<title>By: Kelly</title>
		<link>http://zenhabits.net/2007/09/ask-the-readers-suggestions-to-improve-zen-habits/#comment-13293</link>
		<dc:creator>Kelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Sep 2007 20:57:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks so much for the blog. It&#039;s the only blog of which I read every single post. Personally I like the GTD links. I also like when you introduce us to other blogs. And, unlike some of the other readers, I like the numbered lists - maybe just because I am an organization freak :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks so much for the blog. It&#8217;s the only blog of which I read every single post. Personally I like the GTD links. I also like when you introduce us to other blogs. And, unlike some of the other readers, I like the numbered lists &#8211; maybe just because I am an organization freak :)</p>
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		<title>By: Serena</title>
		<link>http://zenhabits.net/2007/09/ask-the-readers-suggestions-to-improve-zen-habits/#comment-13289</link>
		<dc:creator>Serena</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Sep 2007 19:16:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, can&#039;t read through the comments atm so it might have been mentioned but I love the site so I thought I&#039;d chime in.  I wish the front page would stay where it was when I click on an article.  As it is, it always goes back to the top when I click back so I have to scroll back down to where I was.  This is really distracting!  I only get to this page once a week but it&#039;s making it hard to read through some of the old entries.

Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, can&#8217;t read through the comments atm so it might have been mentioned but I love the site so I thought I&#8217;d chime in.  I wish the front page would stay where it was when I click on an article.  As it is, it always goes back to the top when I click back so I have to scroll back down to where I was.  This is really distracting!  I only get to this page once a week but it&#8217;s making it hard to read through some of the old entries.</p>
<p>Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: bob</title>
		<link>http://zenhabits.net/2007/09/ask-the-readers-suggestions-to-improve-zen-habits/#comment-13230</link>
		<dc:creator>bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Sep 2007 03:49:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Several comment-makers have suggested cutting back on the number of numbered lists. Let me offer a little rhetorical support for this sentiment. The literature of self-help reveals a strong dependency on the rhetoric of persuasion embedded implicitly in the number list. 

First, the numbered list telegraphs a tacit promise of the &quot;finite&quot;, that there is an end in sight. It says, &quot;Once you&#039;ve completed these 3 steps, mastered these 7 principles, assimilated these 11 laws...well, quite simply, ah...so like you&#039;re done! It&#039;s supremely goal directed, destination obsessed. very much A-B in the shortest distance, maybe even downright lazy. In short, it says we can soon be done, finished the work, kaput, over. Then, when done, we can drink in the applause of our own ego! If this isn&#039;t &quot;anti-Zen&quot;, well, maybe it&#039;s &quot;counter-Zen&quot;. 

Second, the numbered list offers distinct (if false) clarity, in discretely separated steps, phases, modes, whatever. The prescriptions are &quot;cleaved&quot; or &quot;chunked&quot;, the idea being we can swallow a pot roast, one-chunk-at-a-time, to make life easier. Easy-to-chew bits. Again, anti or counter Zen, to build a stream of bricks instead of flowing water. 

In short, the rhetoric says, &quot;mastery is quite manageable really&quot; because there&#039;s a defined end in sight and also you&#039;ll advance toward it one, clear, easy step at a time. 

The rhetoric is brilliant, but like all great metaphors, very delicate, and vulnerable to wear. For example, &quot;Kick-starting...x&quot; is/was a great metaphor, but it&#039;s mass-adoption relegated it to the coral reef of dead metaphors. The numbered list, I fear, is going that way too, becoming threadbare, so much so, I believe that it&#039;s rhetoric may actually invoke an antithesis of suspicion at worst, a patient yawn at best.

It&#039;s not your fault, not nobody&#039;s fault, not no how. It&#039;s just the erosion of good rhetorical scheme through highly repetitive use, across many linguistic registers...self-help, journalism, science, business writing, even spiritual literature. 

I&#039;m a regular reader, quite enamoured with your florid imagination. I like the content too. You could certainly keep the numbered list, where and when it really, no, REALLY, fits neatly. Barring that, I&#039;d tap the farther reaches of your vivid mind for alternative containers and shapes for your lists. 

Keep up the great work.

Bob</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Several comment-makers have suggested cutting back on the number of numbered lists. Let me offer a little rhetorical support for this sentiment. The literature of self-help reveals a strong dependency on the rhetoric of persuasion embedded implicitly in the number list. </p>
<p>First, the numbered list telegraphs a tacit promise of the &#8220;finite&#8221;, that there is an end in sight. It says, &#8220;Once you&#8217;ve completed these 3 steps, mastered these 7 principles, assimilated these 11 laws&#8230;well, quite simply, ah&#8230;so like you&#8217;re done! It&#8217;s supremely goal directed, destination obsessed. very much A-B in the shortest distance, maybe even downright lazy. In short, it says we can soon be done, finished the work, kaput, over. Then, when done, we can drink in the applause of our own ego! If this isn&#8217;t &#8220;anti-Zen&#8221;, well, maybe it&#8217;s &#8220;counter-Zen&#8221;. </p>
<p>Second, the numbered list offers distinct (if false) clarity, in discretely separated steps, phases, modes, whatever. The prescriptions are &#8220;cleaved&#8221; or &#8220;chunked&#8221;, the idea being we can swallow a pot roast, one-chunk-at-a-time, to make life easier. Easy-to-chew bits. Again, anti or counter Zen, to build a stream of bricks instead of flowing water. </p>
<p>In short, the rhetoric says, &#8220;mastery is quite manageable really&#8221; because there&#8217;s a defined end in sight and also you&#8217;ll advance toward it one, clear, easy step at a time. </p>
<p>The rhetoric is brilliant, but like all great metaphors, very delicate, and vulnerable to wear. For example, &#8220;Kick-starting&#8230;x&#8221; is/was a great metaphor, but it&#8217;s mass-adoption relegated it to the coral reef of dead metaphors. The numbered list, I fear, is going that way too, becoming threadbare, so much so, I believe that it&#8217;s rhetoric may actually invoke an antithesis of suspicion at worst, a patient yawn at best.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not your fault, not nobody&#8217;s fault, not no how. It&#8217;s just the erosion of good rhetorical scheme through highly repetitive use, across many linguistic registers&#8230;self-help, journalism, science, business writing, even spiritual literature. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m a regular reader, quite enamoured with your florid imagination. I like the content too. You could certainly keep the numbered list, where and when it really, no, REALLY, fits neatly. Barring that, I&#8217;d tap the farther reaches of your vivid mind for alternative containers and shapes for your lists. </p>
<p>Keep up the great work.</p>
<p>Bob</p>
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		<title>By: engtech</title>
		<link>http://zenhabits.net/2007/09/ask-the-readers-suggestions-to-improve-zen-habits/#comment-13219</link>
		<dc:creator>engtech</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2007 19:22:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the subject of CSS design, I&#039;d love it if your comments were highlighted more in the discussion. They&#039;re usually what I&#039;m most interested in with a long page of comments.

Re: weekend posts -- maybe have links to other sites with good articles? It&#039;s always appreciated :)

You&#039;ve built up a great back catalogue of tips, what might be great is to go to an old list post and do a case study on 2-3 of the tips from it. 

I think I&#039;m like most other bloggers when I say that I&#039;m really impressed with your take/drive on blogging, which is why I read NxE as well. I think at this point you could really write posts that are more story/personal and deal with how you apply tips to your life.

I always find the application more interesting than the theory.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the subject of CSS design, I&#8217;d love it if your comments were highlighted more in the discussion. They&#8217;re usually what I&#8217;m most interested in with a long page of comments.</p>
<p>Re: weekend posts &#8212; maybe have links to other sites with good articles? It&#8217;s always appreciated :)</p>
<p>You&#8217;ve built up a great back catalogue of tips, what might be great is to go to an old list post and do a case study on 2-3 of the tips from it. </p>
<p>I think I&#8217;m like most other bloggers when I say that I&#8217;m really impressed with your take/drive on blogging, which is why I read NxE as well. I think at this point you could really write posts that are more story/personal and deal with how you apply tips to your life.</p>
<p>I always find the application more interesting than the theory.</p>
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		<title>By: rachaelo</title>
		<link>http://zenhabits.net/2007/09/ask-the-readers-suggestions-to-improve-zen-habits/#comment-13211</link>
		<dc:creator>rachaelo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2007 17:48:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this may be a silly one- but as a photographer I do like pictures in posts!

I see that you use flickr- what about a zen habits group that we can submit to that you can pull photos from to use in the posts?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this may be a silly one- but as a photographer I do like pictures in posts!</p>
<p>I see that you use flickr- what about a zen habits group that we can submit to that you can pull photos from to use in the posts?</p>
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		<title>By: tchetcha</title>
		<link>http://zenhabits.net/2007/09/ask-the-readers-suggestions-to-improve-zen-habits/#comment-13166</link>
		<dc:creator>tchetcha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2007 08:21:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I love your blog, it&#039;s perfect, don&#039;t change it! 
I just wish I could read your articles in my language, Portuguese.</description>
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I just wish I could read your articles in my language, Portuguese.</p>
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		<title>By: Leo</title>
		<link>http://zenhabits.net/2007/09/ask-the-readers-suggestions-to-improve-zen-habits/#comment-13157</link>
		<dc:creator>Leo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2007 03:02:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, I&#039;m starting to get a feel for the trends on the &quot;lists&quot; issue. :)

I will try not to do any super-long lists anymore, for starters ... I thought it would be a great resource to come back to often, as opposed to something you might read all at once ... but I can see how it would be overwhelming. It took me a long time to compile!

I&#039;m loving this thread ... you guys are providing great feedback, and while I can&#039;t promise to implement every suggestion, please know that I am listening and I am grateful.

As for a mobile version of this site, I had help in reformatting the CSS so that the content loads first in a mobile device (as opposed to the sidebar). Let me know if there are any problems, as I don&#039;t have a mobile device to view the site with.

Thanks again, everybody!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, I&#8217;m starting to get a feel for the trends on the &#8220;lists&#8221; issue. :)</p>
<p>I will try not to do any super-long lists anymore, for starters &#8230; I thought it would be a great resource to come back to often, as opposed to something you might read all at once &#8230; but I can see how it would be overwhelming. It took me a long time to compile!</p>
<p>I&#8217;m loving this thread &#8230; you guys are providing great feedback, and while I can&#8217;t promise to implement every suggestion, please know that I am listening and I am grateful.</p>
<p>As for a mobile version of this site, I had help in reformatting the CSS so that the content loads first in a mobile device (as opposed to the sidebar). Let me know if there are any problems, as I don&#8217;t have a mobile device to view the site with.</p>
<p>Thanks again, everybody!</p>
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